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« on: March 30, 2007, 04:06:47 AM »

I skip class a lot, for various reasons.

I skip class because being a sheep in a class full of wolves is depressing - big time.
I skip class because I'm rebellious in nature & I know that I'm the only one who'll suffer the consequences.
I skip class because the teachers let me get away with it.
I also skip class out of habit.

Recently, the teacher gave us 1 minute to copy an entire list of things to do for homework.  I had barely finished copying the 3rd sentence on the list when she switched the projector off (the projector was set to 'dim' so we wouldn't be able to take camera shots).  So I just took everything off the desk, dumped them in my bag and walked out of class.

My question is to the Chinese in this forum:

My guess is that my Chinese classmates hate me because I skip class all the time.  I get classmates I don't even know on a personal level approaching me and asking for my reasons of missing class - WTF? I'm pretty sure they don't really care how well I do (esp. because they don't even try to help me out).

I've come to the conclusion that they are angry because they are jealous.  They are jealous because the teachers let me skip class and still allow me to hand in the homeworks/sit for the exams.  They are jealous because the situation is unfair - i.e. they are not allowed to skip as many classes.

The question: How would you personally feel if you were one of my Chinese classmates? You've got a foreign classmate who doesn't seem to want to comply with the rules & regulations.  Did I guess correctly, that they hate me because I can get away with things & they can't, or is my guess off the mark? Perhaps you personally understand the things foreigners have to go through.  But what about the Chinese students in general, how do you think they feel about a foreigner skipping class?

I used to think it's no big deal.  But I'm starting to think it's a bigger deal than I had previously imagined.

Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2007, 05:19:22 AM »

> My guess is that my Chinese classmates hate me because I skip class all the time. 

No, they do not hate you, but might think you are a bad student since skipping classes except the subjects in politics is normally considered very bad for Chinese students.

> I get classmates I don't even know on a personal level approaching me and asking for my reasons of missing class - WTF? I'm pretty sure they don't really care how well I do (esp. because they don't even try to help me out).

You have to let both instructors and students know you need help. I heard many schools in China used to provide free tutoring service to international students. You might want to ask about it. There are some cultural reasons that many Chinese are just not very open and sociable, or reserved and shy in some people's eyes. You might feel they are not as warm and friendly as Africans or blacks, but you will feel a lot more comfortable with them after you know them in person or become friends. In addition, you are in Shanghai after all, many local people there tend to focus on their own business. It is less likely you get questions like "Are you married?" or "How much do you make?".

> I've come to the conclusion that they are angry because they are jealous.  They are jealous because the teachers let me skip class and still allow me to hand in the homeworks/sit for the exams.  They are jealous because the situation is unfair - i.e. they are not allowed to skip as many classes.

Not really at least for most students because they don't want to skip classes except some required but boring subjects such as, History of Chinese Communist Party, Marxist Philosophy, Marxist Political Economics, etc. It is also true they are NOT allowed to skip classes, and the rule is not implemented to foreign students as strictly as to Chinese students.

> The question: How would you personally feel if you were one of my Chinese classmates? You've got a foreign classmate who doesn't seem to want to comply with the rules & regulations. 

Not much. Chinese got used to it -- Communists have more privileges than non communists, city residents have more privileges have than people from rural places, minorities have more privileges and majorities, foreigners always enjoy more privileges than Chinese. Things happen for a reason and often, it is hard to make everyone happy. Life is not fair,  we sometimes just have to get over it.

> Did I guess correctly, that they hate me because I can get away with things & they can't, or is my guess off the mark? Perhaps you personally understand the things foreigners have to go through.  But what about the Chinese students in general, how do you think they feel about a foreigner skipping class?


No, they don't hate you. It does not sound fair but really not a big deal to them. In general, skipping classes is just bad no matter whether it happens to Chinese or foreigners.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2007, 10:40:39 AM »

LMAO ..Poor you Sabrina, I feel your pain...

I still don't believe you dont have at least one or 2 chinese classmates who can be friendly enough to assist you..That's weird..But if its true, gurl.. to tell uou the truth, I skipped classes a lot in college due to many reasons; work, laziness, boredom, etc  but guess what, you have to hustle to pass.. Grin ** at least I know that** buhahaha. (in a good way)

Ok, maybe you should bring yourself down to their level, at least to take advantage of some of the opportunities you miss like when they don't give u handouts or disseminate announcements..
Make friends with the professors and assist some of your classmates with their assignments as well..
Trust me, there were some silly and childish stuffs I had to do in college in Pinas, the most important thing is you get your degree....so just suck it up and develop your skills.. Poor you, cheer up you'll soon be through..Ok?Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2007, 04:41:25 PM »

Thanks Jatoo & Afropinay for replying! Cheesy Wink

Jatoo - I didn't know about the different privileges amongst the Chinese.  I'm going to have to get back to you on that! Wink

Afropinay - Haha...I know you read my blog so you know a few things I have to go through. Grin I've been really distant with my Chinese friends in class lately.  Like Jatoo said, I feel they think of me as a bad student rather than analyze the situation further.  I know 'm partly at fault.  But we're all human and if all my foreign friends can ask once in a while "how are things with you?" I don't see why it's something I always have to initiate with my Chinese ex-friends (yeah, I don't wanna talk to them right now).

It does make life a lot better when I approach the teachers.  Here's the annoying bit of it all - whenever I approach the teachers, be it recess or after class only THEN will my Chinese classmates want to get themselves involved. Roll Eyes zot bez vey zaksyon dimoun hahah Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2007, 05:33:16 PM »

I can feel you on that one, having experienced similar problems during my undergraduate studies. It is true that it is very difficult to find a true friend among Chinese classmates. There seems always to be a huge barrier among us and them. As a group of foreigners in that promotion, we tried to integrate, by taking part in sports teams organized by the department, where we were welcome because of what we were able to bring on the table, inviting classmates to attend birthdays or other events in the foreigners' dorms etc. but the gap was still there, so in our junior and senior years we basically gave up. The most frustrating was the feeling that because you were a foreigner you were not REALLY a member of the promotion. Parties organized were mostly discussed in students dorms, while foreigners were at their own dormitory, and in most of cases we learnt about those events only the following week.

Other minor things didn't help. For example, in the first two years foreigners were not allowed to take the political classes, which is good, but when calculating the means of the students these were taken into accounts, all the foreigners got 0 for not taking classes meaning that your good grades in other subjects (maths, business english, accounting in my case) were useless and foreigners were automatically at the bottom of the rankings. I really failed to see the logic behind this but since I didn't fail any subject and passed to the next year so it was fine.

For male students what might help is if you got hooked up with a girl in the class, and if that girl is strong enough to not take care of other classmates comments...

I have also found out that it is easier to get help if in return your classmates can gain something from you (help in English-related courses, invitation to foreigners parties with possible introduction to potential American/European bf/gf etc.). At the end of the time the more you give the more you receive, don't expect your Chinese classmates come to you if you don't make the first steps. That's true in most cases.

To be fair in my case at the beginning I received nice help from a girl from Harbin, but with time it seems she was singled out as being my gf, which was not the case, so rapidly she kind of backed off and I did understand that. Also some teachers were very helpful when help was requested from them. I had a friend, a girl from Angola at another department, who was so friendly with her teachers than most of them did not hesitate to help her out with her assignments during week-ends even coming to her dorm sometimes.

Nevertheless with years passing by my classmates became more mature and the relations were more relax by the time of graduation. Now several years after finishing my courses I am still in touch with some of them (mostly girls though  Tongue ) although during the years of study we didn't have much in common.

I believe most of the problems come from the inexperience of classmates and even the departments in dealing with foreigners, the age difference sometimes (most of the African are a couple of years older than the 16-1yrs old freshmen who enter Chinese universities), the separation that seems to exist between foreigners and Chinese (different dorms, different rules, courses to be taken by one group and not by the other, political activities at the university level which the foreigners obviously are not permitted to attend etc.), the lack of flexibility, the group dominance over individual thinking as it is often the case in China, different educational backgrounds etc.
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2007, 10:54:52 PM »

Thanks for the lengthy reply Pat. Cheesy

Nevertheless with years passing by my classmates became more mature and the relations were more relax by the time of graduation. Now several years after finishing my courses I am still in touch with some of them (mostly girls though  Tongue ) although during the years of study we didn't have much in common.

They're only friendly when I don't really need them anymore.  Like I've got some ex-classmates who only talk to me this year when we're no longer in the same class...quite frankly, if I can't make use of them I don't really want to give them a minute of my spare time (pardon my bluntness). Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2007, 06:44:18 PM »

Sab, to be Sincere i encounter the same problem here. A few of them always want to know what ur scores in a test is...What ur final result is...They even get to the extent of not giving u informations passed in class. And the worst thing is that they expect u to understand the same stuff taught in a lecture room the same way as they do....When i was in my first year, i would always just stand up and give my papers to the invigilator and walk away ,when in an exam cuz no one would be willing to help. As time went by, i got to see who my real Chinese friends were. The only time i enjooy is the weekend or holidays cuz it's when i kinda let my depression off my mind...Oh, I SKIP ALOT OF CLASSES  ::)and i know it's bad but i do it cuz i really don't understand what the lecturer's talking about in most cases.
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2007, 08:58:36 PM »

LOL!!! its better to do the courses in english medium so as not to encounter this. l think its better understanding what u re being taught at school.
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2007, 03:14:22 PM »

As time went by, i got to see who my real Chinese friends were.

Promo,

I can relate the "peer pressure" that is prevailing in a Chinese class, but I hope you did find some REAL Chinese friends! :-)

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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2007, 10:25:14 PM »

Thanks Tiger, i really appreciate that and i've actually gotten to know my real Chinese friends. They are just selfless in helping as i'm always selfless in helping them too. This is what i call Friendship as we all know that a friend in need is a friend in deed..I got lot of Chinese friends for sure...
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